Curse

Murmel · May 23, 2008, 09:47 PM // 21:47

Yes

12chars

Sir Tidus · May 23, 2008, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murmel

Yes

12chars

That's strange, because an update in October 2007 changed its recharge to 4 seconds, and it was nerfed later in March 2008. I checked all the updates in between and couldn't find anywhere that the recharge was removed.

Killed u man · May 23, 2008, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Take it from an old schooler:

In the beginnig, it was like this:

"Watch Yourself"

All alies within Earshot gain +24 Armor for XX seconds 4 Adrenaline

It didn't have a recharge, and it was a set ammount of armor. I'm pretty sure it was 24, but I'm actually doubting wether or not it was +20

Anyways, why U wanna know?

windtalker · May 23, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13

It was +20 armor for x...x seconds.

4 adr
no recharge

DarkFlame · May 23, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

because an update in October 2007 changed its recharge to 4 seconds,

That means they changed the recharge from 0 to 4 seconds, nothing strange about that. In the future, if you wanna know about what the a skill use to be, you can try to cycle through the history tab on the wikis for the info(or Guru's own skill database which hasn't been updated in forever).

Nyktos · May 23, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Immediately before the nerf it was 4 adrenaline, 4 recharge, 5...21 armour for 10 seconds. However it went through a number of nerfs before that.

Mesmer in Need · May 24, 2008, 12:24 AM // 00:24

They changed it for paras, who could use the +20 armor without investing much into tactics. After that, paras put more into tactics, and started using Shields up as well. After nerfing SU, they put the recharge on GFTE and WY because they were getting too much energy for paras. The last step was adding the hit counter.

miskav · May 24, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

And all they had to do was make Leadership affect only para shouts, le sigh.

Stephen John · May 24, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39

i always use to use it with my W on the good ole griffon farming days

it was for i am pretty sure 10 seconds(or depending on tactics) u gain +24 armour

Sir Tidus · May 24, 2008, 03:35 AM // 03:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyktos

Immediately before the nerf it was 4 adrenaline, 4 recharge, 5...21 armour for 10 seconds. However it went through a number of nerfs before that.

Thanks, I see.

Sir Tidus · May 25, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Little Thom has [Executioner's Strike] as well as [Wild Blow]. Will he constantly use [Wild Blow] and loss adrenaline so that he can't use [Executioner's Strike], or will he be smarter and only use [Wild Blow] to end stances? Thanks in advance.

Kale Ironfist · May 25, 2008, 06:06 AM // 06:06

He'll use it to end any stance, not just blocking stances.

strcpy · May 25, 2008, 06:35 AM // 06:35

He will spam Wild Blow as he uses it as a +damage skill. You will rarely see any of the AI use a +damage adrenaline skill with Wild Blow on their skill bar (on heroes I disable it and manually trigger it).

He will also see Wild Blow as a stance breaker in some circumstances and use it before other skills. So the AI isn't totally unaware of it's use - it just doesn't note that it drains adrenaline.

miskav · May 25, 2008, 08:53 AM // 08:53

It spams it like it'd spam any +damage (Crit) skill =3.

DarkFlame · May 25, 2008, 01:45 PM // 13:45

Henchmen IQ is in the single digits. Same goes for Heroes. They will spam their limited skill bars as much as they can and as inefficiently as they can.

Sir Tidus · May 25, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Does this mean that he'll never use [Executioner's Strike] as he will never have enough adrenaline?

Elder III · May 25, 2008, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Does this mean that he'll never use [Executioner's Strike] as he will never have enough adrenaline?

I'm not going to say for sure on a henchie, but Koss (and all heroes) will rarely use Executioner's Strike if they have a skill equipped that loses all adrenaline. A skill that takes 8 strikes of adrenaline to use will probably not be "built up" before they spam Wild Blow or whatever again.... Without doing extensive testing, I would say that 9/10 times Koss does not use such skill combos properly. Heroe Ai (let alone henchies) is pretty dumb - for that reason I never give a hero a skill that will cause them to incur a negative effect, unless I have a specific need for such a build and then I'm apt to disable it on their bar and use it manually myself.

Sir Tidus · May 25, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elder III

I'm not going to say for sure on a henchie, but Koss (and all heroes) will rarely use Executioner's Strike if they have a skill equipped that loses all adrenaline. A skill that takes 8 strikes of adrenaline to use will probably not be "built up" before they spam Wild Blow or whatever again.... Without doing extensive testing, I would say that 9/10 times Koss does not use such skill combos properly. Heroe Ai (let alone henchies) is pretty dumb - for that reason I never give a hero a skill that will cause them to incur a negative effect, unless I have a specific need for such a build and then I'm apt to disable it on their bar and use it manually myself.

Would you say that Stefan is better than Little Thom then?

Sir Tidus · May 25, 2008, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Can [Wary Stance] block unblockable attack skills like [Wild Blow]?

Savio · May 25, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

No. Unblockable means unblockable.

May 25, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42	#91
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Question About Little Thom Little Thom has [Executioner's Strike] as well as [Wild Blow]. Will he constantly use [Wild Blow] and loss adrenaline so that he can't use [Executioner's Strike], or will he be smarter and only use [Wild Blow] to end stances? Thanks in advance. Last edited by Sir Tidus; May 25, 2008 at 05:08 PM // 17:08..

May 25, 2008, 10:36 PM // 22:36	#99
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Can Wary Stance Block Unblockable Attack Skills? Can [Wary Stance] block unblockable attack skills like [Wild Blow]?

May 25, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39	#100
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	No. Unblockable means unblockable. __________________ People are stupid.

May 23, 2008, 09:47 PM // 21:47	#81
Murmel Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Land of Confusion Guild: [swea] Profession: W/	Yes 12chars

May 23, 2008, 10:00 PM // 22:00	#83
Killed u man Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2006	Take it from an old schooler: In the beginnig, it was like this: "Watch Yourself" All alies within Earshot gain +24 Armor for XX seconds 4 Adrenaline It didn't have a recharge, and it was a set ammount of armor. I'm pretty sure it was 24, but I'm actually doubting wether or not it was +20 Anyways, why U wanna know?

May 23, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13	#84
windtalker Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2006 Guild: [LOD] Profession: N/	It was +20 armor for x...x seconds. 4 adr no recharge

May 23, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40	#86
Nyktos Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2007 Guild: The Nyktos Guild [win]	Immediately before the nerf it was 4 adrenaline, 4 recharge, 5...21 armour for 10 seconds. However it went through a number of nerfs before that.

May 24, 2008, 12:24 AM // 00:24	#87
Mesmer in Need Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: [ToA]	They changed it for paras, who could use the +20 armor without investing much into tactics. After that, paras put more into tactics, and started using Shields up as well. After nerfing SU, they put the recharge on GFTE and WY because they were getting too much energy for paras. The last step was adding the hit counter.

May 24, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26	#88
miskav Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: None Profession: Mo/	And all they had to do was make Leadership affect only para shouts, le sigh.

May 24, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39	#89
Stephen John Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2008 Guild: Ancient Gods of Tyria Profession: R/	i always use to use it with my W on the good ole griffon farming days it was for i am pretty sure 10 seconds(or depending on tactics) u gain +24 armour

May 25, 2008, 06:06 AM // 06:06	#92
Kale Ironfist Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Australia Guild: Venatio Illuminata [VEIL] Profession: W/	He'll use it to end any stance, not just blocking stances.

May 25, 2008, 06:35 AM // 06:35	#93
strcpy Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: One of Many [ONE]	He will spam Wild Blow as he uses it as a +damage skill. You will rarely see any of the AI use a +damage adrenaline skill with Wild Blow on their skill bar (on heroes I disable it and manually trigger it). He will also see Wild Blow as a stance breaker in some circumstances and use it before other skills. So the AI isn't totally unaware of it's use - it just doesn't note that it drains adrenaline.

May 25, 2008, 08:53 AM // 08:53	#94
miskav Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: None Profession: Mo/	It spams it like it'd spam any +damage (Crit) skill =3.

May 25, 2008, 01:45 PM // 13:45	#95
DarkFlame Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ascalon Profession: E/	Henchmen IQ is in the single digits. Same goes for Heroes. They will spam their limited skill bars as much as they can and as inefficiently as they can.

May 25, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10	#96
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Does this mean that he'll never use [Executioner's Strike] as he will never have enough adrenaline?